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	<description>Issues that matter and resources for white collar workers of any profession or employment status.</description>
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		<title>By: Rochelle Gordon</title>
		<link>http://www.unitedprofessionals.org/blog/2006/12/28/welcome-to-oz/#comment-804</link>
		<dc:creator>Rochelle Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 16:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Union organizing is best done before the loss of jobs.  Over the last 30-40 years, private sector positions that are "unionized" has declined to practically nill.  Growth can be seen in the public sector.  In particular, SEIU has done an excellent job organizing workers in the public sector.  Additionally, they have worked, as I understand it, to increase the number of private sector locals.  I cannot recall whether they are the union trying to organize Wal-Mart employees in some areas. 

I have "googled" organization efforts in a number of occupations and it is suprising in a delightful way to see traditionally "professional" occupations included in union locals specifically for them.  For example, certain public sector attorneys are unionized.  In fact, certain "administrative law judges" in Illinois, perhaps elsewhere, are also union members.  

You might want to contact a union like SEIU or a national teachers union (AFT or NEA for example) to do what might be thought of as informational interviewing/research on how organizing is done.  Unions generally want to educate people on labor history or organizing.  

I think all of us are now rank and file workers, whether salaried, hourly, white, blue or no collar. I would love to see labor history as part of the curriculum in all public schools in the United States.  Those who have yet to learn it should educate themselves immediately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Union organizing is best done before the loss of jobs.  Over the last 30-40 years, private sector positions that are &#8220;unionized&#8221; has declined to practically nill.  Growth can be seen in the public sector.  In particular, SEIU has done an excellent job organizing workers in the public sector.  Additionally, they have worked, as I understand it, to increase the number of private sector locals.  I cannot recall whether they are the union trying to organize Wal-Mart employees in some areas. </p>
<p>I have &#8220;googled&#8221; organization efforts in a number of occupations and it is suprising in a delightful way to see traditionally &#8220;professional&#8221; occupations included in union locals specifically for them.  For example, certain public sector attorneys are unionized.  In fact, certain &#8220;administrative law judges&#8221; in Illinois, perhaps elsewhere, are also union members.  </p>
<p>You might want to contact a union like SEIU or a national teachers union (AFT or NEA for example) to do what might be thought of as informational interviewing/research on how organizing is done.  Unions generally want to educate people on labor history or organizing.  </p>
<p>I think all of us are now rank and file workers, whether salaried, hourly, white, blue or no collar. I would love to see labor history as part of the curriculum in all public schools in the United States.  Those who have yet to learn it should educate themselves immediately.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.unitedprofessionals.org/blog/2006/12/28/welcome-to-oz/#comment-782</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 05:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CU are insured by the feds. I love each and every Credit Union I have had membership to. I can't say that of any bank except one that was regional and employee-owned. 

I'd like to see more solutions to the problems or obstacles of corporate life. When I was "downsized" at my last job about 4 months ago, a lot of people mouthed "Union". No one was in a powerful position to make the union happen. How do you start a union that has a reasonable chance of success? It seems much harder on the surface than an entrepeneurial business. Rank and file employees know they are going to get fired so they fear taking decisive action in their best interests. How does the average Jane or Joe fight back and win some measure of dignity without sacrificing a family income?

How does the mission of UP offer concrete real-world solution?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CU are insured by the feds. I love each and every Credit Union I have had membership to. I can&#8217;t say that of any bank except one that was regional and employee-owned. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see more solutions to the problems or obstacles of corporate life. When I was &#8220;downsized&#8221; at my last job about 4 months ago, a lot of people mouthed &#8220;Union&#8221;. No one was in a powerful position to make the union happen. How do you start a union that has a reasonable chance of success? It seems much harder on the surface than an entrepeneurial business. Rank and file employees know they are going to get fired so they fear taking decisive action in their best interests. How does the average Jane or Joe fight back and win some measure of dignity without sacrificing a family income?</p>
<p>How does the mission of UP offer concrete real-world solution?</p>
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		<title>By: Rochelle Gordon</title>
		<link>http://www.unitedprofessionals.org/blog/2006/12/28/welcome-to-oz/#comment-764</link>
		<dc:creator>Rochelle Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 00:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the issue of banks, some employers have a relationship with a bank where the employees get "free" checking without any limits on transactions.  Also, some banks provide free checking for new customers for the first year.  Also, with shop around in other cities for banks that have account holder friendly practices.

For anyone thinking about Chapter 7, it is wise to consult your attorney about opening a new bank account.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the issue of banks, some employers have a relationship with a bank where the employees get &#8220;free&#8221; checking without any limits on transactions.  Also, some banks provide free checking for new customers for the first year.  Also, with shop around in other cities for banks that have account holder friendly practices.</p>
<p>For anyone thinking about Chapter 7, it is wise to consult your attorney about opening a new bank account.</p>
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		<title>By: Open_Sourcerer</title>
		<link>http://www.unitedprofessionals.org/blog/2006/12/28/welcome-to-oz/#comment-758</link>
		<dc:creator>Open_Sourcerer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jan 2007 18:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeanne - Bank deposits are insured through an organization called the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC).  Credit Union deposits are insured through an organization called the National Credit Union Share Insurance Fund (NCUSIF).

FDIC and NCUSIF essentially do the same thing - they're just different organizations.  One is for banks and the other is for Credit Unions.  See http://www.ncua.gov/ShareInsurance/index.htm for more details.

If you review the above URL, note that the terminology is a little different from what you are used to.  Savings accounts are referred to as "Shares" or "Share Accounts."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeanne - Bank deposits are insured through an organization called the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC).  Credit Union deposits are insured through an organization called the National Credit Union Share Insurance Fund (NCUSIF).</p>
<p>FDIC and NCUSIF essentially do the same thing - they&#8217;re just different organizations.  One is for banks and the other is for Credit Unions.  See <a href="http://www.ncua.gov/ShareInsurance/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncua.gov/ShareInsurance/index.htm</a> for more details.</p>
<p>If you review the above URL, note that the terminology is a little different from what you are used to.  Savings accounts are referred to as &#8220;Shares&#8221; or &#8220;Share Accounts.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: TMP</title>
		<link>http://www.unitedprofessionals.org/blog/2006/12/28/welcome-to-oz/#comment-727</link>
		<dc:creator>TMP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jan 2007 13:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many banks offer low cost checking accounts.  They're usually interest and fee free.  Some restrictions apply like a limit on the number of checks written per month.  So check around.

Yes, Credit Unions are a good alternative IF you qualify for membership.  They're no open to the general public. Deposits are insured by not to the level they are in a bank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many banks offer low cost checking accounts.  They&#8217;re usually interest and fee free.  Some restrictions apply like a limit on the number of checks written per month.  So check around.</p>
<p>Yes, Credit Unions are a good alternative IF you qualify for membership.  They&#8217;re no open to the general public. Deposits are insured by not to the level they are in a bank.</p>
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		<title>By: MousePotato</title>
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		<dc:creator>MousePotato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jan 2007 04:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeanne,

See the following regarding credit union insurance.

http://www.ncua.gov/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeanne,</p>
<p>See the following regarding credit union insurance.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ncua.gov/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncua.gov/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeanne</title>
		<link>http://www.unitedprofessionals.org/blog/2006/12/28/welcome-to-oz/#comment-706</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are Credit Unions insured like banks are?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are Credit Unions insured like banks are?</p>
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		<title>By: Open_Sourcerer</title>
		<link>http://www.unitedprofessionals.org/blog/2006/12/28/welcome-to-oz/#comment-664</link>
		<dc:creator>Open_Sourcerer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2006 20:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would think that IBM Mainframers would be in demand.  Nobody teaches that, anymore, but most major businesses over 20 years old are still primarily MVS shops.  I thought that there was a projected shortage of such people, as folks retire, and none of the college kids do mainframes.

Have you tried Dice.com?  They're like monster.com only they specialize in Techies.

ShavenYak-I actually wrote a long tireade concerning Banks vs. Credit Unions, that I want to post on the UP Blog, but I am having technical difficulties.

Um...this is actually embarassing, being an IT guy...How do I start a new thread?  When I click "blog," I am shown other people's threads that I can reply to, but cannot start a thread of my own (like I said, the Credit Union bit is a long one, and probably deserves its own thread).  There has to be a link or button that I am missing, somewhere on the screen.  I have dropped an inquiry to the webmaster, but do not have access to my E-mail at this very moment.  

Eric, with the CU I currently belong to, the minimum to keep an account is $25.00.  Oh yeah, no fees.

When the fees at a bank exceed the interest that they are paying you, then banking is an investment that pays negative interest.  EVERYBODY MEMORIZE THAT PHRASE.  The next time a bank tries a hard sell on you to sign up for an account, tell them that their account is an investment that earns negative interest, and that it impacts your bottom line unfavorably.  They just HATE it when you beat them over the head with their own verbage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would think that IBM Mainframers would be in demand.  Nobody teaches that, anymore, but most major businesses over 20 years old are still primarily MVS shops.  I thought that there was a projected shortage of such people, as folks retire, and none of the college kids do mainframes.</p>
<p>Have you tried Dice.com?  They&#8217;re like monster.com only they specialize in Techies.</p>
<p>ShavenYak-I actually wrote a long tireade concerning Banks vs. Credit Unions, that I want to post on the UP Blog, but I am having technical difficulties.</p>
<p>Um&#8230;this is actually embarassing, being an IT guy&#8230;How do I start a new thread?  When I click &#8220;blog,&#8221; I am shown other people&#8217;s threads that I can reply to, but cannot start a thread of my own (like I said, the Credit Union bit is a long one, and probably deserves its own thread).  There has to be a link or button that I am missing, somewhere on the screen.  I have dropped an inquiry to the webmaster, but do not have access to my E-mail at this very moment.  </p>
<p>Eric, with the CU I currently belong to, the minimum to keep an account is $25.00.  Oh yeah, no fees.</p>
<p>When the fees at a bank exceed the interest that they are paying you, then banking is an investment that pays negative interest.  EVERYBODY MEMORIZE THAT PHRASE.  The next time a bank tries a hard sell on you to sign up for an account, tell them that their account is an investment that earns negative interest, and that it impacts your bottom line unfavorably.  They just HATE it when you beat them over the head with their own verbage.</p>
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		<title>By: followthemoney</title>
		<link>http://www.unitedprofessionals.org/blog/2006/12/28/welcome-to-oz/#comment-654</link>
		<dc:creator>followthemoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2006 05:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a BSEE and a few of us engineers noticed that many middle management people were BSEET degree holders.

We joked that the "T" stood for Turbo, as in fast track to management. The "T" really stood for technology, the BSEET being a two year technician degree.

When bad times came, the BSEE people made lateral moves to equivalent positions in other companies. The BSEET people were left to manage the sinking ship. As in your case, Eric, a lateral move was not forthcoming for them. Upper management seems to have hardwired "loyalty" into middle management by promoting over degree level, if not skill level.

Sorry to hear of your experience. It is probably more common than anyone would guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a BSEE and a few of us engineers noticed that many middle management people were BSEET degree holders.</p>
<p>We joked that the &#8220;T&#8221; stood for Turbo, as in fast track to management. The &#8220;T&#8221; really stood for technology, the BSEET being a two year technician degree.</p>
<p>When bad times came, the BSEE people made lateral moves to equivalent positions in other companies. The BSEET people were left to manage the sinking ship. As in your case, Eric, a lateral move was not forthcoming for them. Upper management seems to have hardwired &#8220;loyalty&#8221; into middle management by promoting over degree level, if not skill level.</p>
<p>Sorry to hear of your experience. It is probably more common than anyone would guess.</p>
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		<title>By: MousePotato</title>
		<link>http://www.unitedprofessionals.org/blog/2006/12/28/welcome-to-oz/#comment-652</link>
		<dc:creator>MousePotato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2006 03:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to hear about your troubles.  I can assure you that having the degree won't help you much either.

As for the highway robbery thieving banks, you are better off using a credit union.  Not so great hours and access, but at least they won't keep charging you coming and going for every little thing.

Hope you managed to enjoy the holidays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to hear about your troubles.  I can assure you that having the degree won&#8217;t help you much either.</p>
<p>As for the highway robbery thieving banks, you are better off using a credit union.  Not so great hours and access, but at least they won&#8217;t keep charging you coming and going for every little thing.</p>
<p>Hope you managed to enjoy the holidays.</p>
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